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So DeviantArt is committing suicide... - Started by: Thorvald
RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 11:38 PM
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Thorvald:
So I guess I can understand how a thread that began as a brainstorm session for prepping Side 7 to handle disaffected refugees morphed into a general dA grievance dump, but I strongly recommend splitting this recent religious talk off into its own topic.


I guess I do have another grievance to talk about, because it's somewhat related. I did cut mine short for that reason, but unfortunately, religious beliefs, or any kind of beliefs in general are somewhat related to DA grievances, since religion-based bullying does happen on the platform, such as me being harassed by the occasional militant atheist for simply believing in any deity at all, just because they believed in none. It took me back to when I was in school, and the other kids on the playground harassed me for believing in dragons. When I reported it to DeviantArt, they said "sorry, but we can't do anything because it's their right to believe what they want", when the problem was they were calling me stupid and delusional just for believing in God, even though there's no link between personal beliefs and intelligence, nor sanity. When I reported the harassment, they just told me to "block and ignore", even though I already had them blocked, but they decided to make new accounts and block evade and continued to attack me. Meanwhile, they allow hate stamps against said beliefs, usually ones that stereotype all Muslims as terrorists, all Christians as bible thumpers, and sometimes all atheists as... being like the ones that attacked me.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 12:42 AM
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Shadane:
Thorvald:
So I guess I can understand how a thread that began as a brainstorm session for prepping Side 7 to handle disaffected refugees morphed into a general dA grievance dump, but I strongly recommend splitting this recent religious talk off into its own topic.

I guess I do have another grievance to talk about, because it's somewhat related. I did cut mine short for that reason, but unfortunately, religious beliefs, or any kind of beliefs in general are somewhat related to DA grievances, since religion-based bullying does happen on the platform, such as me being harassed by the occasional militant atheist for simply believing in any deity at all, just because they believed in none. It took me back to when I was in school, and the other kids on the playground harassed me for believing in dragons. When I reported it to DeviantArt, they said "sorry, but we can't do anything because it's their right to believe what they want", when the problem was they were calling me stupid and delusional just for believing in God, even though there's no link between personal beliefs and intelligence, nor sanity. When I reported the harassment, they just told me to "block and ignore", even though I already had them blocked, but they decided to make new accounts and block evade and continued to attack me. Meanwhile, they allow hate stamps against said beliefs, usually ones that stereotype all Muslims as terrorists, all Christians as bible thumpers, and sometimes all atheists as... being like the ones that attacked me.


more grievance I got to talk about: around the same time Deviantart bought by Wix, I got cyberbulled in Deviantart by a Rationalwiki user that probably also use Kiwifarms for myself believing in RL (So-called) Conspiracy Theories and the like(and slapping them into a massive multifandom crossover I did, likely to make it's certain science fantasy elements authentic, among others), worse when I blocked him for first time, he even persuaded me in a now-deleted H1tl3r video that I made over TVtropes rejecting my mega-crossover fanseries and I fell for him, plus after I blocked him twice, he even block-evaded me

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 01:00 AM

It still stuns me that people can block others for really petty reasons, like a different opinion or unintentionally being sarcastic, DA people suck so much most of the time.
(I also got blocked for the stuff I mentioned above.)

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 01:06 AM
N0-11:
It still stuns me that people can block others for really petty reasons, like a different opinion or unintentionally being sarcastic, DA people suck so much most of the time.
(I also got blocked for the stuff I mentioned above.)


at least some people that did block me (in deviantart, at least) do that for petty reasons, notably TerraTerraCotta(she overreacted to my crossover ideas just after I talked with her about some fandoms, her overreaction did continues HTFsocial reg's harassment of me(over my fan-ideas) even after myself banned from HTFSocial for the same deal innocent deviantart users got banned from late-2010s-today!deviantart later) in 2012

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 01:14 AM
Masonicon:
N0-11:
It still stuns me that people can block others for really petty reasons, like a different opinion or unintentionally being sarcastic, DA people suck so much most of the time.
(I also got blocked for the stuff I mentioned above.)

at least some people that did block me (in deviantart, at least) do that for petty reasons, notably TerraTerraCotta(she overreacted to my crossover ideas just after I talked with her about some fandoms, her overreaction did continues HTFsocial reg's harassment of me(over my fan-ideas) even after myself banned from HTFSocial for the same deal innocent deviantart users got banned from late-2010s-today!deviantart later) in 2012


I’m surprised I didn’t get banned off of DA back in 2014, but I also used to fan girl over the Beatles too.
(It’s not shocking that regular artists get banned off of DA, it isn’t helping that DA’s staff are dumb robots now.)

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 04:40 AM
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N0-11:
Masonicon:
N0-11:
It still stuns me that people can block others for really petty reasons, like a different opinion or unintentionally being sarcastic, DA people suck so much most of the time.
(I also got blocked for the stuff I mentioned above.)

at least some people that did block me (in deviantart, at least) do that for petty reasons, notably TerraTerraCotta(she overreacted to my crossover ideas just after I talked with her about some fandoms, her overreaction did continues HTFsocial reg's harassment of me(over my fan-ideas) even after myself banned from HTFSocial for the same deal innocent deviantart users got banned from late-2010s-today!deviantart later) in 2012

I’m surprised I didn’t get banned off of DA back in 2014, but I also used to fan girl over the Beatles too.
(It’s not shocking that regular artists get banned off of DA, it isn’t helping that DA’s staff are dumb robots now.)


I got banned for 3 years for pointing out someone's behavior, and I also left the internet for 3 years after being chased off, but quite unsurprisingly, the individuals involved are still there, and at least two of them resorted to targeting minors, one directly doing so, and another befriending a grown adult user that sent death threats to a 13 year old. I'm not sure what the rest are doing, but looking back at what I went through, I feel so wronged now. Many of these people sympathized with an artist I used to support at the time that got viciously stalked and harassed in a similar way, but apparently I deserved it because of my own drama, even when doxxing got involved.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 31 Oct 2023, 10:01 PM
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remember 2015 Deviantart where back then, Charlie Hebdo did make Islamophobia runs rampant in Deviantart(forgetting that 2 victims of that attack are Muslims), this may come to play on making Deviantart admin sold the site into Wix

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Nov 2023, 05:19 PM
Masonicon:
remember 2015 Deviantart where back then, Charlie Hebdo did make Islamophobia runs rampant in Deviantart(forgetting that 2 victims of that attack are Muslims), this may come to play on making Deviantart admin sold the site into Wix



Man, that really sucks, and I didn’t make it better with my annoying 17 year old atheist self, man I hate my kid/teen self so much most of the time.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 10 Nov 2023, 12:46 AM
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recently, a (fake) deviantart user did blocked me after it commenting on my latest deviantart journal: https://www.deviantart.com/stable-deviant

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 10 Nov 2023, 01:18 AM
Masonicon:
recently, a (fake) deviantart user did blocked me after it commenting on my latest deviantart journal: [https://www.deviantart.com/stable-deviant](https://www.deviantart.com/stable-deviant)



Just looked at the account... they have "creative" titles for their AI prompts... just numbers, likely the number details for their text prompts or something lol

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 16 Nov 2023, 09:33 PM
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Thorvald:
SheevraSidhe0274:
What do you think's gonna happen?

As I see it, there are three broad possibilities:

1. **The suit fails or is thrown out.** Users continue to leave out of fear dA now has carte blanche for art theft. Monetization intensifies to make up for the shortfall. The site gets worse.
2. **The suit succeeds or Wix settles; dA survives.** Monetization intensifies to recoup the losses. The site gets worse. Users continue to leave. A vicious cycle ensues.
3. **The suit succeeds or Wix settles; dA folds.** Decades of art, history, and correspondence are lost.

Suffice to say, there is no way dA emerges unscathed, and no outcome truly beneficial to the userbase. As multiple people have stated, the fact a suit was even filed casts a permanent shadow over the site. I'd said back when Eclipse débuted I'd jump ship to the first viable alternative; literally the only reasons I still use it are a) preserving posterity, and b) it's served as a filehost after ImageShack went pay-to-play, though Imgur has since moved to permanent hosting so I can presumably fall back to it.

BadKarma:
That's pretty crappy that people abused you over a couple of posts.

As I remarked in conversation on dA, my assumption was public sentiment was overwhelmingly against AI-gen; it was surprising enough learning there are diehard stans, but it was honestly frightening that the zealots would hit such a low profile so hard, so fast, over what weren't even provocative takes. I thought we'd left that sectarian BS back with Buzzly.

All the more ironic, in hindsight.


so the only way Deviantart wins the lawsuit against Generative AI and avoid the chopping block was through Pyrrhic victory against the Lawsuit?

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 20 Nov 2023, 06:22 AM
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also, the reason those Image Generators aren't even Artificial Intelligence was: it can't think like us do so they aren't even AI(hopefully, "AI arts" can go the way of fidget spinners), and true AIs need Computronium(wetware or dryware) for their CPUs to work, so those generative "AI" are works by stealing pre-existing pics and writings from their datasheets

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 28 Nov 2023, 02:25 AM

most recently, I tried Readymag for making the new website of my Mega-crossover fan-series

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Dec 2023, 10:17 PM

here's the latest update of Lawsuit against AI generators whose defendants includes deviantart: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.407208/gov.uscourts.cand.407208.129.1.pdf

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Dec 2023, 10:37 PM
Masonicon:
here's the latest update of Lawsuit against AI generators whose defendants includes deviantart: [https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.407208/gov.uscourts.cand.407208.129.1.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.407208/gov.uscourts.cand.407208.129.1.pdf)



Actually, it's just the Exhibit A listing of examples of stolen artwork. 122 pages worth.
-- BK

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Dec 2023, 11:00 PM

more updates of the lawsuit: https://stablediffusionlitigation.com/case-updates.html

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 06 Dec 2023, 09:29 AM

So there is an update to be said about the mass ban situation on DeviantArt, as long as it's been brought up both here and on the thread at https://www.side7.com/forums/thread/251/1

So at one point I mentioned TV Tropes is doing the same thing as DeviantArt as a way of demonstrating something real is happening (my viewpoint also differs in the fact that I don't really see myself in a position to oppose admins for what they want to do in their own fair-and-square-made realm). But anywho, just wanted to say (especially as its demographic overlaps with DeviantArt's) that you can add Discord to the list. Yep, there's a mass Discord ban going on right now.

Not saying names, but I find it difficult to take some peoples' advice that nothing extraordinary is going on with moderation when you have randomly distributed bans now inadvertently formatted like a proper science experiment with a main group and a control group. Again, though, not that I'm complaining, just pointing out the once-baby elephant in the room that is now growing through the ceiling..

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 06 Dec 2023, 09:53 PM

Mass bans are happening on DA? I hope my DA won’t get banned, not like I’ll lose anything since I made sure to archive all my art on my DA, I’m doing my colors galleries next when I get a new laptop.
(I can say the same for Discord, again, I won’t lose anything, since I have Element as an alt.)

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 06 Dec 2023, 10:03 PM

I got myself Banned from TVtropes for being a Conspiracy theorist(not a flat-earther one) who slapped IRL conspiracy theories to my mega-crossover fanproject(whose tropology's rejection from TVtropes did render me made downfall(der untergang) video about it, scrapped briefly for attracting troll that bullied living hell out of me, around the same time WIx bought deviantart) where I ban-evades TVtropes numerous times Until I give up that

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 06 Dec 2023, 10:17 PM
chaseawaythedark:
Not saying names, but I find it difficult to take some peoples' advice that nothing extraordinary is going on with moderation when you have randomly distributed bans now inadvertently formatted like a proper science experiment with a main group and a control group. Again, though, not that I'm complaining, just pointing out the once-baby elephant in the room that is now growing through the ceiling..


As the old adage says: "Never attribute to malice what can equally be explained by stupidity." I would append that with "or greed". Any site that is making its money from third-party advertising sets itself up for a dilemma where the sponsors will threaten to withdraw over content or conduct they deem objectionable. In the case of commercial middle-men like Patreon, it's the credit card companies that make that call—the reason Bitcoin is so popular with the criminal types is because it's the only medium for transaction that hasn't blacklisted them. Whether it's Tumblr or TV Tropes or DeviantArt, it all boils down to the same simple phenomenon: Risqué topics are bad for ads. Over on CivFanatics, there used to be a tradition of "Babe Threads" in the Off-Topic forum; the board is PG so the actual photos were basically what you'd see in a clothing catalogue, but around the early 2010s Google AdSense complained and ffft! there they went.

(Cue users complaining the banner ads then became a deluge of the very sort of gore and titillation they'd just scrubbed from the forums.)

Based on some of the commentary I've read in the wake of the dA Purges, that may be more insidious: there are allegations that one longstanding adult creator was essentially blackmailed to either let their work be scraped for DreamUp or lose their account. When you look at the timeline, it was shortly after Premium (pay-to-access) Galleries were introduced that the rules were amended to allow hardcore visual NSFW... only in Premium Galleries, which require a paid account to use. It's rent-seeking: dA doesn't simply want to monetize porn, the intent appears to be forcing adult works into the paid stream, so that users have to spend money on-site, and dA takes a cut.

As the saying goes: "Follow the money."

I don't know the Discord situation, but given the sort of filth that festers in the Private Servers and DM logs, I wouldn't be surprised if most of that is long-overdue housecleaning. :/

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Dec 2023, 12:17 AM

My lord, DeviantArt has become even more of a cesspool than I remember! I know it's probably annoying hearing me bemoan about my own shortcomings from the site, and I feel much better after telling at least half of my story, so this will be the last time for quite a while. However, I've been watching videos on YouTube, accidentally found myself in the "drama" side of things, if you want to call it that. What I found is that the way I was treated is not a one-time deal, and there were formerly infamous artists who were harassed just as bad, if not worse than I was, including libel, stalking, doxxing, mass-harassment, often escalating to off-site activity, and trying to ruin their real lives, or getting them to end it entirely. DeviantArt has still done nothing.
So, let's count all of the grievances...
1. Harassment
2. Art theft
3. Ignoring their userbase
4. Ignoring help desk tickets, including but not limited to harassment or bug reports
5. Ignoring hate speech, or even condoning it (preventing it from being reported by marking each section that applies as "case closed")
6. Allowing spam to go unpunished (at least a few cases)
7. Firing half of their staff
8. Changing the site layout to a clunky, borderline unusable one, despite sitewide backlash
9. Doing the bare minimum to prevent artists' work from being sold as NFTs without their consent
10. Literally everything about Dream Up
Also, the site is down. I don't know if it's down for anyone else, but I checked the Down Detector, and it said it's not just me; it's been happening since yesterday night before I went to bed. I know this might sound extreme, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the lawsuit against them over Dream Up?

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Dec 2023, 12:40 AM
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Shadane:
My lord, DeviantArt has become even more of a cesspool than I remember! I know it's probably annoying hearing me bemoan about my own shortcomings from the site, and I feel much better after telling at least half of my story, so this will be the last time for quite a while. However, I've been watching videos on YouTube, accidentally found myself in the "drama" side of things, if you want to call it that. What I found is that the way I was treated is not a one-time deal, and there were formerly infamous artists who were harassed just as bad, if not worse than I was, including libel, stalking, doxxing, mass-harassment, often escalating to off-site activity, and trying to ruin their real lives, or getting them to end it entirely. DeviantArt has still done nothing.
So, let's count all of the grievances...
1. Harassment
2. Art theft
3. Ignoring their userbase
4. Ignoring help desk tickets, including but not limited to harassment or bug reports
5. Ignoring hate speech, or even condoning it (preventing it from being reported by marking each section that applies as "case closed")
6. Allowing spam to go unpunished (at least a few cases)
7. Firing half of their staff
8. Changing the site layout to a clunky, borderline unusable one, despite sitewide backlash
9. Doing the bare minimum to prevent artists' work from being sold as NFTs without their consent
10. Literally everything about Dream Up
Also, the site is down. I don't know if it's down for anyone else, but I checked the Down Detector, and it said it's not just me; it's been happening since yesterday night before I went to bed. I know this might sound extreme, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the lawsuit against them over Dream Up?


Deviantart letting (spam/scam)bot accounts outnumber real users there for the sake of the site traffic. speaking of Harassment, a Rationalwiki user bullied living hell out of me(for being (so-called) Conspiracy theorist) around the same date Wix bought deviantart. and Fill-in memes dominates deviations in deviantart. not to mention Deviantart staff that got fired are decent ones. speaking of Hate Speech, Deviantart condoning it as long as hate speech are directed to anyone non-jews(deviantart also accuse anyone that pointed out not all Jews are goody 2 shows for antisemitism, even when anyone that knows not all Jews are good people are have nothing against Jewish people)

perhaps lawsuit against deviantart over DreamUp make deviantart down

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Dec 2023, 01:35 AM
Masonicon:
Shadane:
My lord, DeviantArt has become even more of a cesspool than I remember! I know it's probably annoying hearing me bemoan about my own shortcomings from the site, and I feel much better after telling at least half of my story, so this will be the last time for quite a while. However, I've been watching videos on YouTube, accidentally found myself in the "drama" side of things, if you want to call it that. What I found is that the way I was treated is not a one-time deal, and there were formerly infamous artists who were harassed just as bad, if not worse than I was, including libel, stalking, doxxing, mass-harassment, often escalating to off-site activity, and trying to ruin their real lives, or getting them to end it entirely. DeviantArt has still done nothing.
So, let's count all of the grievances...
1. Harassment
2. Art theft
3. Ignoring their userbase
4. Ignoring help desk tickets, including but not limited to harassment or bug reports
5. Ignoring hate speech, or even condoning it (preventing it from being reported by marking each section that applies as "case closed")
6. Allowing spam to go unpunished (at least a few cases)
7. Firing half of their staff
8. Changing the site layout to a clunky, borderline unusable one, despite sitewide backlash
9. Doing the bare minimum to prevent artists' work from being sold as NFTs without their consent
10. Literally everything about Dream Up
Also, the site is down. I don't know if it's down for anyone else, but I checked the Down Detector, and it said it's not just me; it's been happening since yesterday night before I went to bed. I know this might sound extreme, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the lawsuit against them over Dream Up?

Deviantart letting (spam/scam)bot accounts outnumber real users there for the sake of the site traffic. speaking of Harassment, a Rationalwiki user bullied living hell out of me(for being (so-called) Conspiracy theorist) around the same date Wix bought deviantart. and Fill-in memes dominates deviations in deviantart. not to mention Deviantart staff that got fired are decent ones. speaking of Hate Speech, Deviantart condoning it as long as hate speech are directed to anyone non-jews(deviantart also accuse anyone that pointed out not all Jews are goody 2 shows for antisemitism, even when anyone that knows not all Jews are good people are have nothing against Jewish people)

perhaps lawsuit against deviantart over DreamUp make deviantart down



Honestly, I don't use RationalWiki for that reason. I made an account years ago and then left it to rot ever since I got a good look at what the community is like, it's essentially a Reception Wiki before those were even a thing. The fact that DeviantArt is biased and thinks that being Jewish makes you inherently good is unrealistic, because anyone of any belief or ethnicity can do bad things, such is the case of a certain dictator, but then again, this is the same company that thinks all Palestinians are bad.
If the site did go down because of the lawsuit, I can't imagine it surviving for long, and it's up in the air whether it closes down permanently, or becomes a ghost town like MySpace.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Dec 2023, 06:22 PM

The audacity of DA to basically suck up to Israel, I don't know tbh. I just feel better that I stopped uploaded art on there in the future, it also isn't helping that DA's reputation is basically in the gutter, like YouTube and other really popular sm sites. It's depressing as frick.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Dec 2023, 10:18 PM
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N0-11:
The audacity of DA to basically suck up to Israel, I don't know tbh. I just feel better that I stopped uploaded art on there in the future, it also isn't helping that DA's reputation is basically in the gutter, like YouTube and other really popular sm sites. It's depressing as frick.


I can feel better when I take a break from logging into Deviantart for at least a day, newest update to Deviantart groups did make me urged to salvage my projects from deviantart into either this site further

youtube did enforces copyright laws in hypocritical manners: making money with AI-generated works is okay, but making even fanarts and fanfics with any IPs outside public domain ones for absolutely anything (even for personal uses) are not

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