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So DeviantArt is committing suicide... - Started by: Thorvald
RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 05:11 PM
WestKnightTV:
Probably the second to last thing from the old DA to be 'eclipse-ized' - the Forum is still standing IIRC?


Technically, though I've basically never used it, and a quick skim of the topics doesn't entice me to. D:

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 05:25 PM
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I’ve visited DA’s forums weeks ago, and I didn’t bother looking into any of them when I didn’t see any recent forums pop up, I’m still glad I abandoned on talking to people on DA (besides my watchers that comment under my art pieces), since words are useless nowadays, imho.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 27 Aug 2023, 11:29 PM
WestKnightTV:
Re spam: Yeah, spam's been a pretty big problem on DA, probably even bigger than the AI art fiasco. Especially after using the 'suppress AI art' option, the main page is just full of random supplements, Indian properties and courses!


Spambots in Deviantart can bother me worse than even AI artists

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 29 Aug 2023, 02:10 AM
N0-11:
I’ve visited DA’s forums weeks ago, and I didn’t bother looking into any of them when I didn’t see any recent forums pop up, I’m still glad I abandoned on talking to people on DA (besides my watchers that comment under my art pieces), since words are useless nowadays, imho.



not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 29 Aug 2023, 02:27 AM
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Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)



I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 02:47 AM
Shadane:
Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)


I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?



I even somewhat witness Islamophobia in Deviantart forums(back then)

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 05:34 AM
Shadane:
Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)


I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?



I can vouch as well. I could do without things like the racial supremacy and property theft and the wishing of mental illness on others en mass, even on motivational threads. One could go at length, though this isn't the best place for that.

Not sure if I mentioned this here before or not, but one thing I'll say is I got banned from the forums (without being banned from the website itself) in 2021, for reasons that were not entirely known to me (the reasons given by others being false, because I was never really told why either; mods would have to explain that). A lot of people like to ban evade, but many of us instead used the groups feature on DeviantArt to make a group (or more accurately we remodeled an existing group) called UnlimitedQuestions that was modeled into its own forum (by accepting question-based art, acting as threads), and everything explained here is available on the wayback machine. It was incredibly popular, boasting two thousand regular users. The regular forums, boasting only two hundred, absolutely hated it with a passion and would occasionally attempt to ignite things on it. One day, someone got angry at me for something completely unrelated and hired some people to raid the group with thousands of bot alt accounts, which can be seen on the wayback machine during September of 2022, with the successful intention of forcing the admins to treat it like a raid and shut down the group, after which there was a power struggle that lasted several months, with people fighting over group ownership by recreating the banned group (only to get banned again shortly after) until it came upon its current handler, with whom the group has been dormant ever since. I show the evidence to people who ask who is in the wrong, and whether they accept it is like an ultimate indicator of their intentions.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 10:54 PM
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there's possibility that current Deviantart can be more toxic than even HTFsocial chatroom back when I joined it

even when lot of those used to be HTFsocial regulars are moves on from their past faults and redeem themselves over these

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Sep 2023, 05:37 AM
Shadane:
Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)


I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?



Reminds me when American conservatives call me a colonialist because I am in England. The trolltards.
Not only does my family come from a country where they were being killed, the British Empire ended long before my family entered the country.
Hating any group of people, especially for history, is bigotry as it is. And then bigots go around saying that somehow they aren't responsible for their "nation's" actions. Alright when it suits them.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Sep 2023, 06:03 AM
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Inafox:
Speaking of DA suiciding and FA more thoroughly banning cub stuff. They don't just have AI and pedos on the loose.
They have AI pedos totally NAMBLA:
[https://www.deviantart.com/klkey](https://www.deviantart.com/klkey)

I don't agree that FA is banning NSFW pokemon porn, they're just banning pedo/cat-like proportion pokemons. You can age them up.
Which is a shame for short people who identify with their small fursonas, but most of it is really pro-lolicon type stuff.
I don't really care what virtual realities people get off too in their private homes, but promoting pedo on the internet is dangerous and creates safe spaces for pedos, just like how feral furry erotica communities are inundated with zoophiles.
But for sure DA's AI pedos are more pedo than any midget pokemons on FA. Also don't get people saying that trans people like me support little boys (or girls) wearing skimpy clothes, being trans and fetishising kids aren't related. It's just pedos like putting adult fetishes onto kids. Wish they'd chase these pedos instead of normal LGBTQIA+ people.

Tbh furries banning borderline pedo stuff is a good look, not saying you're inherently a pedo for liking small cartoon characters though.



While that may be true, there are cases where aging up a Pokemon just isn't possible without portraying them as fully evolved, because an entire species happens to be babies (i.e. Pichu, Riolu, Togepi, etc.). Fur Affinity seems to just believe any short person is a minor, anatomy be damned.
On the flip side, I have reported artwork that not only involves said species or Pokemon that can age without evolving like Pikachu or Eevee, but were clearly portrayed as kids, and they just ignore me, or tell me that the former can age without evolving, even though this isn't canonically true, and I even provided proof of this which they completely ignored. Meanwhile, an artist I followed who drew male shortstacks was banned as a "pedophile", despite their anatomical structure suggesting that they were adult men.
I don't mind if explicit NSFW is allowed or limited to just tasteful mature art, I just want a decent home for my art with competent staff that follow their own rules, and not just when it benefits them like DA or FA staff. So far, this place seems like the best one until I can expand my gallery some more.

Inafox:
Reminds me when American conservatives call me a colonialist because I am in England. The trolltards.
Not only does my family come from a country where they were being killed, the British Empire ended long before my family entered the country.
Hating any group of people, especially for history, is bigotry as it is. And then bigots go around saying that somehow they aren't responsible for their "nation's" actions. Alright when it suits them.



That is beyond disgusting. I don't understand why so many people decide to lump an entire race or nationality in with a few bad apples. You don't choose where you come from, or who your ancestors are. When I found out that my ancestry includes an extinct race often considered to be "stupid" by modern humans, I figured that how far I and a lot of other people with the same ancestry have come could serve as proof that it isn't true.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 01 Sep 2023, 06:08 AM
This post has been edited 1 time. Last edit on 01 Sep 2023, 06:18 AM.
Masonicon:
Shadane:
Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)


I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?


I even somewhat witness Islamophobia in Deviantart forums(back then)



It seems to be happening to this day. A lot of artists who are just minding their business, sharing their art in peace are accused of being homophobic or terrorists even when they're not, just because of a select few individuals that share their religious beliefs, while ignoring aspects of history that go into detail on acts of terrorism committed by Christians or Atheists.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 05:25 AM
Shadane:
While that may be true, there are cases where aging up a Pokemon just isn't possible without portraying them as fully evolved, because an entire species happens to be babies (i.e. Pichu, Riolu, Togepi, etc.). Fur Affinity seems to just believe any short person is a minor, anatomy be damned.
On the flip side, I have reported artwork that not only involves said species or Pokemon that can age without evolving like Pikachu or Eevee, but were clearly portrayed as kids, and they just ignore me, or tell me that the former can age without evolving, even though this isn't canonically true, and I even provided proof of this which they completely ignored. Meanwhile, an artist I followed who drew male shortstacks was banned as a "pedophile", despite their anatomical structure suggesting that they were adult men.



Yeah well eevee is an adult, they can breed canonically. They are just very neotenic e.g. child-like innocence.
The problem though is that pedos often use reference of real kids to apply this. It encourages pedophilia and can have direct victims as well.
I don't mind so much if they're drawing it in private and don't ref real kids but when you put that online you're encouraging the horny deviants (who are blinded ethically by horniness) into doing something an adult usually wouldn't do. It's like with video games, video games you can shoot children and stuff but when you play video games you're not promoting biological urges to do this in real life. So I don't think it should be on FA for sure. It's all bad PR for FA and FA is AI-free and a bad rep could shut the site down. Meanwhile InkBunny is more anarcho-capitalistic and they have both cub and AI, it's literally a pirate site because of that, it's law evading on many levels and has become a safe space for everyone but that everyone includes everyone from bestialists to pedos. AI users are unethical like cub promoters, they serve their own interests so it's no wonder that most unethical AI sites are full of perverted crap because they have the same values overall. Like many of the AI models that are clearly interpolating REAL children with eevees and lolicon. If you are DDLG or something, you're morally obligated to not endorse that its ok to treat real kids like that. So while their argument "it's just fantasy" is true, they fail to realise the effects it has as propaganda. If IB wants cub and unethical AI like that, they can go cannibalise the pedo artists' incomes cause then at least there's no incentive to make money for it. Just a shame for people who are fetish littles as opposed to pedos. Certainly IB loses the support from a lot artists and their pro-AI move really is just get attention for "allowing" AI making out they're some kind of liberalising guardians.

Shadane:
That is beyond disgusting. I don't understand why so many people decide to lump an entire race or nationality in with a few bad apples. You don't choose where you come from, or who your ancestors are. When I found out that my ancestry includes an extinct race often considered to be "stupid" by modern humans, I figured that how far I and a lot of other people with the same ancestry have come could serve as proof that it isn't true.



Yeah it's a circle as well. One person blames someone for hatred of their nation in past. So then that person goes on to cause hatred, and the cycle goes on.
The trick is to break those cycles.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 07:16 AM
Inafox:
Yeah well eevee is an adult, they can breed canonically. They are just very neotenic e.g. child-like innocence.
The problem though is that pedos often use reference of real kids to apply this. It encourages pedophilia and can have direct victims as well.
I don't mind so much if they're drawing it in private and don't ref real kids but when you put that online you're encouraging the horny deviants (who are blinded ethically by horniness) into doing something an adult usually wouldn't do. It's like with video games, video games you can shoot children and stuff but when you play video games you're not promoting biological urges to do this in real life. So I don't think it should be on FA for sure. It's all bad PR for FA and FA is AI-free and a bad rep could shut the site down. Meanwhile InkBunny is more anarcho-capitalistic and they have both cub and AI, it's literally a pirate site because of that, it's law evading on many levels and has become a safe space for everyone but that everyone includes everyone from bestialists to pedos. AI users are unethical like cub promoters, they serve their own interests so it's no wonder that most unethical AI sites are full of perverted crap because they have the same values overall. Like many of the AI models that are clearly interpolating REAL children with eevees and lolicon. If you are DDLG or something, you're morally obligated to not endorse that its ok to treat real kids like that. So while their argument "it's just fantasy" is true, they fail to realise the effects it has as propaganda. If IB wants cub and unethical AI like that, they can go cannibalise the pedo artists' incomes cause then at least there's no incentive to make money for it. Just a shame for people who are fetish littles as opposed to pedos. Certainly IB loses the support from a lot artists and their pro-AI move really is just get attention for "allowing" AI making out they're some kind of liberalising guardians.



It would be more appropriate to say Eevee can be an adult rather than to say the entire species is, since there are canonically baby Eevees in the manga and anime alongside adults, but either way, I tend to advise against using FA since the staff only listen to their own rules when it benefits them, a few users who were banned for drawing cub stuff still have their artwork on the site despite this after all. The fact that the nasties use real minors as a reference for their immoral content just goes to show how much of a slippery slope it is, and what happened to me below is unfortunately just another example.
Ah, Inkbunny. That's the same cesspool my groomer came from, and they did nothing about them, didn't ban them, report them to the authorities, even when they were informed that this person was drawing NSFW art of real minors, or characters representing real minors such as their 'sonas. Me and my family did report them, but nothing ever came out of it because their location was hidden behind a VPN; they unfortunately got away, and I can only hope they were brought to justice as I have no idea where they are now, and I have no plans to go looking for them to avoid endangering others.
With AI, I might have to resort to watermarking my work, should I ever decide to post a few pictures to DA and then bolt it out the door, this just leads me to the conclusion that they support art theft which I don't want to make, but AI, which could have been a neat little tool to play around with to come up with ideas to draw, has been misused to take other people's art and feed it into the algorithm for AI art generation, or finish their unfinished sketches, most of which come out nightmarish.

Inafox:
Yeah it's a circle as well. One person blames someone for hatred of their nation in past. So then that person goes on to cause hatred, and the cycle goes on.
The trick is to break those cycles.



I probably sound like a broken record, but I'm really sorry that happened. It's not right to target people just for regional, or even genetic differences, and it's proven time, and time again to ruin humanity. It's why I've hated politics since I was a kid, and I still can't understand why the school district I went to tried to "groom" us into being political at an age when we should be more focused on drawing with crayons and playing Minecraft. Discrimination based on simple, biological or regional differences that people can't control just give me another reason to want to shut myself out of society.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 09:58 PM

Side 7 just added groups, it's over DA bros x_x

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 10:39 PM
Warehouse_Rabbit:
Side 7 just added groups, it's over DA bros x_x



Wait, really? That's awesome. Thank you BadKarma, if you're reading this. This will be fun.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 11:03 PM
Warehouse_Rabbit:
Side 7 just added groups, it's over DA bros x_x


now, I can salvage my mega-crossover Project from Deviantart

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 11:16 PM
chaseawaythedark:
Warehouse_Rabbit:
Side 7 just added groups, it's over DA bros x_x


Wait, really? That's awesome. Thank you BadKarma, if you're reading this. This will be fun.



Yep. Groups have been added.
-- BK

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 02 Sep 2023, 11:26 PM
BadKarma:
chaseawaythedark:
Warehouse_Rabbit:
Side 7 just added groups, it's over DA bros x_x


Wait, really? That's awesome. Thank you BadKarma, if you're reading this. This will be fun.


Yep. Groups have been added.
-- BK



thank you!

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 03 Sep 2023, 02:33 PM
Shadane:
Masonicon:
Shadane:
Masonicon:
not to mention the toxicity of Deviantart forums(for most part, at least)


I can vouch. I've witnessed so much Russophobia from just one user who genuinely believes that all Russians are exactly like Putin. Many of the Russian shop owners where I live are doing their part to help Ukraine, even sponsoring Ukrainian families coming here to escape the violence.
I know xenophobia and racism are to be expected from grisly wars like this, but why aren't the current staff doing anything to stop them?


I even somewhat witness Islamophobia in Deviantart forums(back then)


It seems to be happening to this day. A lot of artists who are just minding their business, sharing their art in peace are accused of being homophobic or terrorists even when they're not, just because of a select few individuals that share their religious beliefs, while ignoring aspects of history that go into detail on acts of terrorism committed by Christians or Atheists.



Agreed. And yet all of these just happen to be fine and good to wake up to today, according to them. Normal people sadly don't stand a chance at their game.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 03 Sep 2023, 03:36 PM

I get that it's intended as a PSA, but I think we can do without linkbaiting hard slurs.

Especially when some of these citations could be interpreted as trying to stoke existing drama between users present on Side 7.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 03 Sep 2023, 03:50 PM
Thorvald:
I get that it's intended as a PSA, but I think we can do without linkbaiting hard slurs.

Especially when some of these citations could be interpreted as trying to stoke existing drama between users present on Side 7.



That wasn't the intention, sorry about that. I'm getting too used to people asking for sources and concision.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 05 Sep 2023, 10:07 PM

What about current deviantart being internet's ghost town?

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 05 Sep 2023, 11:08 PM
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My only guess that DeviantArt became a ghost town because some people ended up either making their own websites to archive their art and stuff, or moving on into another website to post art, I’ll still post when I’m finished with an art piece or two then post it last on DA.
(I still think it’s inevitable for DA to be a ghost town most of the time.)
Also people just causing drama on there isn’t helping, alongside other stuff that’ll make this post way too long.

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 06 Sep 2023, 01:41 AM
Masonicon:
What about current deviantart being internet's ghost town?



Well that's to be expected isn't it?

What is this anyway?

A Deviantart fan site?

RE: So DeviantArt is committing suicide...
Posted: 07 Sep 2023, 01:10 AM
This post has been edited 1 time. Last edit on 07 Sep 2023, 01:11 AM.
N0-11:
My only guess that DeviantArt became a ghost town because some people ended up either making their own websites to archive their art and stuff, or moving on into another website to post art, I’ll still post when I’m finished with an art piece or two then post it last on DA.
(I still think it’s inevitable for DA to be a ghost town most of the time.)



most people that left Deviantart in response of the announcement of Deviantart eclipse's permanence use Twitter for posting their artwork instead of proper art site

I used to looks forward Artrise(in addition of Artspacious) only to ended up stillborn(and it's forking into Buzzly was closest thing it goes under the sun), at least Artspacious still have more chance to see the light of the day, I even use bunch of other deviantart alternatives: Weasyl, Itaku, Artfol, and so on

I also make my own websites to Archive my Mega-crossover project with Webs.com webhosting service(even when this become another zombie website)

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